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Editor’s note: Recode has a new podcast! It’s alleged Pivot, and every week, our Editor at Large Kara Swisher will breach bottomward the better belief in tech and media with L2 architect Scott Galloway, a fan-favorite echo bedfellow on Recode Decode and a assistant of business at NYU. Here’s the aboriginal episode. Enjoy!

NYU’s Scott Galloway loves authoritative big predictions about what companies Amazon will bolt up next. On accomplished podcasts, he predicted Jeff Bezos & co. would access Accomplished Foods (correct) and possibly the administering abundance Nordstrom (that one hasn’t happened ... at least, not yet).

On the aboriginal adventure of our new podcast Pivot, Galloway proposed a new M&A target: Snapchat maker Snap.

“Snap needs something,” he said. “I accept this aggregation is activity out of business ... Snap will not be an absolute aggregation by the end of 2019.”

“People allocution about how its banal has gotten crushed, but it’s still got a bazaar cap of $13 billion,” Galloway added. “So I accept the banal gets cut in bisected again, but any accretion is array of an $8 or a $10 billion check. And there’s a bound cardinal of companies that can buy a aggregation that’s not authoritative a lot of money for $8 to $10 billion.”

He disqualified out Facebook and Apple, abrogation alone two abeyant acquirers in America: Google and Amazon. And he believes Amazon, which aloof launched a commerce-focused affiliation with Snap, makes added faculty than Google, which has afresh bootless in amusing media.

“I anticipate Bezos says, ‘All right, you accept a amount constituency that buys actuality and buys actuality irrationally,’” Galloway said. “High-margin coffee, aerial affiliate tennis shoes, they’re crazy. We adulation teenagers because they’re brainless because they absorb all their money.”

You can accept to Pivot with Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway wherever you get your podcasts — including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Pocket Casts and Overcast.

Below, we’ve aggregate a abounding archetype of Kara and Scott’s aboriginal episode.

Kara Swisher: Hi everyone, acceptable to Pivot, from the Vox Media Podcast Network. I’m Kara Swisher, architect of Recode, and I’m abutting by my no-mercy, no-malice co-host, Scott Galloway. Hey, Scott. How’s it going? Area are you this morning?

Scott Galloway: I’m in New York, Kara, the Vox Studios downtown. Area is Kara Swisher?

I’m at the Vox Studios in D.C. in the District of Columbia in Washington. So, this is our aboriginal show. Everyone’s attractive advanced to it. They anticipate we’re activity to do bad things, which is absolutely absorbing from the acknowledgment on Twitter.

Let’s achievement so. Define “bad.”

Let’s achievement so. We’re activity to do bad things. And I polled bodies to say, “What does our photo attending like?” And I don’t apperceive which one you anticipation was best, but my admired one was “Cagney & Lacey is absolutely activity to be lit this season.” I anticipation that was ...

Yeah, but am I the aboriginal or the additional Lacey? I was about to counterbalance in, but I ...

You’re absolutely Cagney. Hello, nice to accommodated you.

I anticipation we were absolutely the new ball on Bravo area you’re the boxy but adorable cop in 2B. I’m the cool acquaintance that aloof apparent meth. What do you think? What do you think?

Yes, that sounds good. That sounds great. That sounds perfect. All right, well, let’s get into discussions this week. We’ve got a lot to allocution about. And we’re activity to alpha aboriginal with our aboriginal segment, which is a big adventure breakdown. I anticipate the big adventure this anniversary is Instagram, and I’ve been spending a lot of time talking to bodies in Facebook about what happened here. I accept a absolute acceptable faculty of what happened. But I aloof would like your thoughts out of the gate, and afresh I will accord my thoughts on that.

Well, you’re the cabal here. My faculty is that aback founders ... So, my aggregation was afresh acquired — 18 months ago — by Gartner. Aback a aggregation is acquired, it’s not if but aback the founders are activity to leave. I anticipate the alarm starts appropriate away. Ascendancy is a absolute addictive substance, and founders are acclimated to control. So the actuality that they were there six years absolutely I anticipate is appealing impressive. The catechism I would bandy aback to you is it seems like a lot of these departures are advancing at the aforementioned time. Is there commodity amiss in Mudville here?

Well, yes. I anticipate absolutely ... I don’t anticipate it’s too long. I anticipate they capital to stay. I don’t anticipate they capital to go. I anticipate they admired alive there. They were avaricious to assignment there their accomplished lives, I think. Not their accomplished lives, but a continued time, as continued as they could be artistic and be in allegation of things. But I anticipate what happened is afterwards Cambridge Analytica, afterwards all kinds of stuff, Mark Zuckerberg asserted himself, abnormally because Instagram was array of the agent and Facebook was not anymore. I anticipate this was a bearings with — let’s say what it is.

Kevin Systrom and Mike Krieger, who created Instagram, larboard the aggregation aback on Monday afterwards cogent ... They aloof did it all of a sudden. I anticipate they were pushed absolutely adamantine by a lot of changes in Facebook that they anticipation broke their product, essentially. So I don’t anticipate this was a, “Oh, we’ll aloof go.” I anticipate they didn’t appetite to go and larboard beneath duress, from my perspective.

The columnist absolution affectionate of validates that because if you apprehend the columnist release, acutely Facebook did not accept it because it says “we’re attractive advanced to exploring our adroitness again.” It’s basically array of, “We’re activity to alpha commodity abroad and for whatever acumen ...”

“We couldn’t do it here.”

Yeah, “We couldn’t accretion it here.” That was not a brought to you by Facebook columnist release. What are some of the credibility of tension?

Yeah, we wrote about them a lot on Recode.

Do you accept any faculty for what absolutely pissed them off?

Yeah, everything. They would abuse ... For example, a brainless thing, but it was important to these people, is the artifice of ads. The way they were activity to appoint ads I anticipate they consistently resisted. Aback they’re administering things to Facebook and aback and forth, one of the abundant drivers of advance was actuality aggregate aback and alternating about for both sides. So aback you allotment things from Instagram to Facebook, it acclimated to say it was from Instagram, and afresh there’d be a articulation back, and it created lots of referrals aback to Instagram. But you created on Instagram. And Facebook removed that. So it looked like you acquaint it on Facebook. It looks like you’re application Facebook. I begin that abundantly deceptive, and I anticipate they did too. I anticipate they’re more, both Mike and Kevin, whom I apperceive absolutely well, are absolute abundant added in the customer afflicted than they are in the “Let’s advice advertising” camp.

What is the accepted affection at Facebook after? I declared it as ... Actuality are the aftermost three Thanksgivings for a Facebook executive: “It’s abundant to see you. You’re awesome.”; “It’s abundant to see you. You’re amazing.”; “It’s acceptable to see you. You’re active America.” Isn’t there a ton of astriction appropriate now amid chief admiral there?

Yeah. Well, there’s admiral who are abutting to Zuckerberg, and there are ones that aren’t. You apperceive what I mean? I anticipate they’re absolute ... One of the things that I kept accepting from a lot of bodies on the Zuckerberg ancillary here, and it was absolute acutely Mark Zuckerberg blame this accomplished thing, these changes in Instagram that the founders did not like and the added ascendancy he was aggravating to take.

I anticipate the ones that are central with him are, I don’t appetite to say cult-y, but they accede with him. And they kept saying, “Mike and abnormally Kevin are aggregation players.” And I’m like, “You charge beneath aggregation players and added bodies that disagree with you.” You apperceive what I mean? It was an absorbing thing. So I anticipate there’s a astriction aural the aggregation of bodies who are in with the accepted administering and not in with the accepted administration. There’s bodies on both sides. And this was the best almighty example. What I anticipate was affliction about it is it affects product. You can allocution all you appetite about ruining capitalism and the Russians and this and that, but this absolutely affects product. And aback artefact starts to get affected, I anticipate that’s aback companies go downhill.

It’s funny you say that. It’s Silicon Valley. It’s through the lens of Silicon Valley, and that is our capitalism and Russians, that’s a concern, but the artefact ... Watch out!

No, of course. But that’s how they’re activity to go down. You anticipate they’re activity to go bottomward over the Russians? They’re not activity bottomward over the Russians. They’re activity bottomward aback their artefact is shitty. That’s it. You apperceive what I mean? That’s all I’m adage is, of advance what they’ve done is a gross corruption and use of their platform. But what’s absolutely activity to annihilate them is commodity abundant different. That’s aloof what I’m ... and I anticipate it bears out aback accessories go, that’s aback companies go.

The customer has the final say here. And who wins here? Whenever there’s chief akin departures, there’s a sucking complete upward. Who’s the new man or woman at Instagram?

Probably a man alleged Adam Mosseri who was brought in. He’s absolute abutting to Mark Zuckerberg. He’s a absolute competent person, but he didn’t begin the company. You apperceive what I mean? He didn’t begin the company. These were two absolutely acute entrepreneurs at their peak, and I’m not abiding ... They weren’t, like, laying around. They weren’t comatose and vesting in any way. So I anticipate that’s consistently a aberration to abolish creative, absorbing founders. And I anticipate this is a big mistake, what happened here.

It’s so absorbing because pre-Jobs founders ... I’ve been starting companies aback I was 25. Pre-Jobs, we were advised a crazy liability, that our shelf activity was [until] the aggregation got a CFO and afresh VCs brought in gray-hair management. Post-Jobs, abnormally afterwards his acknowledged acknowledgment to Apple, now we’re apparent as invaluable to the DNA and should be kept at all costs. It’s absolutely the alarm has swung the added way.

Well, if they’re helpful. Like, attending at Travis Kalanick and attending at some others. You know? I don’t know.

Next thing. We are activity to allocution about these ... Advocate Accepted Jeff Sessions is affair with accompaniment advocate generals about tech industry biases. Put on your tinfoil hats everyone, Advocate Accepted Jeff Sessions is talking about the ability of the tech industry with a accumulation of states attorneys general, or is it advocate ... whatever ... about bent on amusing media adjoin bourgeois viewpoints. Scott, is this real? What can the accompaniment A.G.s absolutely do about this, or is it aloof a lot of blather?

Well, absolutely the red accompaniment A.G. comedy is how array of tobacco was taken down. So there is commodity here, and I’ve consistently acquainted that the war adjoin Big Tech will be waged out of Brussels or from a red accompaniment A.G. who sees a dejected band aisle from the A.G.’s abode to the Governor’s abode as a autonomous altercation adjoin Big Tech. So the A.G. army is an able angry force adjoin Big Tech.

The botheration is that what you’re activity to see with Sessions and the administering continues a arrangement of abduction defeat from the aperture of victory. And that is, there is absolute anti-competitive affair here. These companies accept aloof become too influential, bad for the economy, a host of reasons, anti-competitive practices. But they’re activity through the amiss aperture here.

This angle that there’s a bent adjoin conservatives is aloof so ridiculous. You apperceive those guys. I’ll acquaint you what I think. I apperceive these people. I don’t apperceive them as able-bodied as you. They don’t angular at work. They don’t angular right. They angular down. And annihilation that gets them added assurance and added Nissan ads is air-conditioned with them behindhand of the political standpoint. And the angle that conservatives accept somehow ... Their choir accept been squished ... Lester Holt is not giving a belvedere to Alex Jones. Trump has a absolute activity to 54 actor users admitting actionable the Agreement of Use every goddamn day on Twitter. So the angle that this has been annihilation but amazing for the far larboard and the far appropriate is aloof ridiculous.

I agree. I anticipate they absolutely are ... I sit there and I’m like, “That’s not what ... You should be absorption over here.” Like, over actuality they’re absolutely accomplishing bad things. Here, they’re not. It’s aloof one of these things area it’s gotten politicized, obviously, as aggregate has. And afresh it’s a decay of time. And this is an befalling absent to do absolute focus on things that matter, such as anti-competition, all kinds of things that are absolutely of concern. And the growing ability of these altered companies on our country. And instead, they’re sitting about actuality adage that Diamond and Silk can’t talk. They can talk. They never chock-full talking.

It reminds me a lot of aback conservatives bedeviled on gay rights, if you remember. They aloof went on and on and on, and I anticipate they absent so abundant arena on that one because they were never activity to win that one. It was aloof ... I don’t know. It’s aloof a ...

You had a abundant band in one of your accessories that said that the bodies who complained about actuality silenced are the ones who never shut up.

Yeah, yeah. That’s right. They don’t. And there’s affluence of places to allocution online here. You aloof can’t allocution on some of these platforms. I aloof don’t apperceive what ... What could these accompaniment attornies absolutely do? Force them into what? I mean, it’s a acknowledged quagmire of loss. You cannot ... I don’t anticipate you could accomplish any of these things.

They’re aloof blowin’ it because this could accept been a bipartisan issue. You accept the far larboard and the far appropriate anxious about these companies’ growing influence. But instead, they’re activity to about-face it into, “You’re bad for conservatives,” which agency they’re activity to lose the far larboard in agreement of any advance to rein these guys in. It’s aloof ... It’s evocative of the Amazon Washington Post, the ham-handed advance from Trump, area he basically attenuate accepted apropos about Amazon.

Yeah, and so why did they do it? Was it aloof press?

I accept such a abhorrent time admiration this administration. I don’t accept 95 percent of what they do. It feels aloof absolute political. And unfortunately, there’s absolute abuse here. This could accept been a bipartisan effort. And what’s activity to arise is Big Tech is activity to acknowledge carefully in a abstinent way with data. Big Tech is activity to act presidential. The added is president.

You’re activity to see ... I don’t apperceive what the affinity is. It’s like accusatory about minimum allowance because you appetite adolescent bodies to smoke more. Okay, we should accession minimum wage, but that’s not why. You end up communicable the accomplished argument. Anyway, the accomplished affair makes no sense.

Absolutely. I anticipate they’re activity to blooper appropriate out of it. I anticipate they’re activity blooper appropriate out. By the way, they should blooper appropriate out of this.

Yeah. Agreed.

This is insane. This is aloof a decay of time, and afresh absorption on things ... And afresh we’ll get like 60 tweets from Trump about the silliest of things aback we should be absorption on bigger things.

We’re activity to allocution about Snap and Amazon. Explain for the bodies the situation.

So, Amazon and Snapchat arise a affiliation beforehand in the anniversary area you’ll be able to use Snapchat to aught in on a product, and it’ll be recognized, affectionate of a beheld search, and you’ll be cued or prompted with that artefact folio on Amazon. So the articulation amid amusing and business ... It’s a ... It acquired a lot ... Rightfully, it got a lot of absorption because, one, Snap needs something. This is a company, Kara ... I accept this aggregation is activity out of business. I do not ... it will be a ... Prediction, Snap will not be an absolute aggregation by the end of 2019.

Independent, you beggarly auction or ...

It’ll get sold. 100 percent.

To who?

Well, that’s ...

I’m not activity to let you off the angle on that one.

That’s the absolute question. So aboriginal off, 10 to 100,000 kids every anniversary say, “Hey, we approved this new adaptation of Snap alleged Instagram Stories,” and they switch. And so the metrics ...

They ability accept bent a breach actuality with Kevin and Mike gone, by the way, at Instagram. But go ahead.

We’ll see. I anticipate the bank is apparently abysmal abundant to be fine. But anyways, you accept a bearings area I anticipate there are a bound cardinal of buyers. So Snap, alike admitting it’s ... Bodies allocution about how its banal has gotten crushed, it’s still got a bazaar cap of $13 billion. So I accept the banal gets cut in bisected again, but any accretion is array of an $8 or a $10 billion check. And there’s a bound cardinal of companies that can buy a aggregation that’s not authoritative a lot of money for $8 to $10 billion. So the cosmos gets very, absolute attenuated fast.

So, who? Arise on.

It’s either Google or Amazon. And you said to me, and I had not anticipation about this a ages ago, that the alone guy that Evan Spiegel would appetite to assignment for is Bezos. I apperceive who it won’t be. It won’t be Facebook.

Or Apple. Or Apple. He’d assignment for Tim Cook.

He’d assignment for Tim Cook. But Apple is not that acquisitive.

They’re not accepting abreast it. Are you kidding? They’re not accepting abreast ...

They’re not that acquisitive. And I anticipate Bezos says, “All right, you accept a amount constituency that buys actuality and buys actuality irrationally.” High-margin coffee, aerial affiliate tennis shoes, they’re crazy. We adulation teenagers because they’re brainless because they absorb all their money ...

Do you know, I bought high-margin coffee yesterday, but go ahead, go on.

Or Yeezys, did you get your kids a brace of those?

I don’t appetite to appearance you my shoes. They’re like ... Go ahead. Move along.

And then, so, the added absolute absorbing allotment of advice actuality is the above VP of accounts from Amazon is now the CFO of Snap. And basically the CEO and his top accounts bodies become like twins that can acquaint nonverbally because it’s absolute important. The CFO and the VP of accounts are what I alarm the CEO’s antecedent of truth. So I can see this guy, the CFO, calling Jeff and saying, “Look, this is the accord with our company. This is why it makes faculty for you.” And afresh absolutely short-circuiting an acquisition. And this ability be ...

Yeah, that makes ... That’s the best buy. And what about Google? Accomplish the Google argument.

I don’t anticipate I accept a acceptable altercation for Google.

I don’t either.

They’ve approved to be in social. It hasn’t worked.

It can’t.

I don’t apperceive if they charge to be.

They don’t charge to be.

I aloof don’t know.

And they’re robots. They aloof can’t even. Bethink aback they were accomplishing Google or whatever the hell it was? I was like, “Oh, stop.” It’s aching to watch.

That was rough.

And they had one of the aboriginal ones with Orkut, if you remember.

I don’t not bethink Orkut.

Orkut was this little guy alleged Orkut that formed there, and he created one of the ancient amusing networks, appropriate on par with Facebook and others. It got absolute accepted in Brazil and some added countries. Some aberrant countries.

Oh that’s right. It was the big amusing arrangement in Brazil. There’s area I bethink it.

Brazil and a few added baby countries. And I bethink a Google controlling saying, “You know, we’re absolutely big in Brazil.” And I go, “Way to lose it.” Like, Brazil as compared to the United ... Facebook was killing it in the United States and additionally in bigger markets. And it was aloof ... He was a abundant guy. He still is around, but I anticipate they dead the affair off. But they aloof can’t do social. They can’t. They aloof shouldn’t. It’s aching to watch in so abounding ways.

So who does that leave? No acceptable media aggregation can allow that analysis and accident money, but Amazon, if they anticipate they can aces this affair up for 10 billion, which would be a 1 percent concoction on a abundance dollar bazaar cap, and abduction a amount constituency that gets them absorption amid high-margin products, maybe gives them addition access point, gets added bodies on their app ...

Goes with entertainment.

Maybe they beck actuality from Amazon Prime Video? There ability be a pony in there somewhere.

I like it. I like it. I like it. I’m activity with it. I accede with you on this one. I don’t anticipate there’s any added buyers, except for an Asian company.

One of the big guys?

One of the Chinese companies. Yeah, WeChat or commodity like that.

Yeah, and afresh Jeff Sessions says it’s a aegis risk, appropriate so ...

Yes, oh yeah, because what goes on on Snapchat is aerial security.

Yeah, it’s AI. They’re activity to weaponize our youth, Kara. They’re advancing for us.

They are activity to weaponize ,,,

It’s the apprentice army of our 15-year-old boys is advancing for us.

Yeah, yeah. Although I accept to say, I accept two kids. They still use Snapchat. They adulation Snapchat.

Yeah, you said they adulation it.

They use it as a communications tool. That’s what they use it as 100 percent.

And Instagram Stories, accept they approved it or don’t apperceive about it?

They do, but I anticipate it absolutely goes forth gender lines. I anticipate added girls use Instagram Stories. It’s interesting. They use it sometimes, but aloof the added day, I was like, “How are you affection Instagram?” And one of my sons goes, “Oh, the museum?” And I was like, “What?” And he goes, “You put up appealing pictures there. That’s all.” It was not fun or advantageous or utilitarian. It was aloof a museum. That’s what he alleged it. I anticipation it was absolute acute actually.

GOAT: Greatest of all time this week. What aggressive you?

I anticipate Craig Newmark for allotment The Markup. It’s actuality done by Julia Angwin, who I absolutely went to academy with, and some others, who are accepting calm to attending at Big Tech, to attending at issues about Big Tech. And I anticipate that Craig is ... I did a abundant podcast with Craig Newmark. He started Craigslist, obviously. And he’s been giving a lot of money to journalism efforts. He gave one to a academy recently, a big school, in $20 actor increments, essentially. Fabricated a lot of money from tech, and he’s application it to abutment journalism. I anticipate it’s a abundant thing. He’s an abnormal and array of an odd appearance in Silicon Valley. And I anticipate he’s absolutely adequate his media mogul-hood in this way. And it’s a absolute altered way from others like Marc Benioff who bought Time and Laurene Powell Jobs and Jeff Bezos. It’s absolutely aggravating to absolutely abutment acceptable journalists into accomplishing what they do best. So, he wins it.

Well done, Craig.

Well done, Craig.

And so I had a moment of inspiration. Kara, yesterday, I met one of my heroes, accurately one of my heroes.

Who?

EU Abettor Margrethe Vestager.

Vestager. Yes, she’s great. Margrethe is great.

I’m on the alternation aback from Acela and I see this woman analogue an analyst report.

You met her on the train?

I stalked her on the train. An analyst report, and you apperceive what she was accomplishing while she was highlighting this report? She was knitting. How alarming is that?

Oh, yeah, she knits. She’s a knitter.

I got off the train. I alien myself. Took a account with her. But this is woman who is fearless, angry for the EU average class, and is angrily intelligent. Aloof absolutely exciting.

She’s amazing. They did a accomplished alternation about her in, I think, Denmark.

Yeah, she’s incredible.

Margrethe Vestager is the EU abettor who has been array of authoritative every tech company’s activity a active hell. And it’s abundant to watch. I’ve interviewed her alert and I anticipate she’s absolutely absolutely something. She’s like a superhero, and they abhorrence her in tech. They’re affable about it, but they absolutely abhorrence her.

Yeah, I would altercate she’s the alone accessible official in the apple appropriate now whose testicles accept descended aback it comes to ambidextrous with Big Tech.

You don’t charge testicles. You don’t charge testicles, Scott, to be difficult.

You get it. You accept it.

No, I don’t. I’m not application a testicle.

We’re demography aback ... We’re demography aback the inappropriate for the left, Kara.

We’re not application balls. We’re not application testicles.

Oh, arise on.

We’re not activity to be application “man up.”

Oh, arise on. We are demography ... We are demography the aweless aback for the left, Kara.

No, no. We’re not application that chat either. I’m not activity to echo it. That’s fine.

Why does the appropriate get to own the inappropriate?

Oh.

You and I are demography it back.

That’s not words I like using. We’ll arise up with new metaphors. I’m not aggravating to be politically correct.

Okay, okay, acceptable enough.

But there are added metaphors we can use. All right, cool adduce of the week. Annihilation comes to mind?

Right aback to you. I’m abiding you accept several.

So abundant is so absurd. I anticipate the actuality about Instagram. The actuality that Facebook had no acknowledgment to this because they were acutely taken unawares. These guys aloof came in ... They had been bottomward bombs all over these guys for months and accomplishing altered things and messing with the thing. Alike admitting they did advertise it, I get that, they still had accustomed them astronomic freedom and afresh aloof afflicted the rules of the game. And so these guys aloof left, alone the mic and left. I anticipation that was affectionate of fantastic.

And by the way, from a agent standpoint, affliction barter in history, best barter on the buyer’s side.

It is. Although, they did get a lot of stock, so I anticipate they did aloof fine.

Oh they did as well?

I anticipate they’re activity to airing abroad with hundreds of millions of dollars. A lot of it was in stock, so it went ...

Oh wait, my affliction quote, and I’m axle on here, but your admired actuality said, “She said she was drunk.” Right? Oh, okay. Okay. Afresh all bets are off. She was drunk. Anyways.

You apperceive what’s absorbing about Trump, he doesn’t booze at all. Like myself, he doesn’t booze at all. So he has an affair with ...

You don’t booze at all?

No, I don’t. Not really. Every now and again.

Oh, Kara, start. It’s wonderful.

No. I do it every now and again. I’ve afresh ... All right, thanks. Let’s not ...

Trust on me on this. As Winston Churchill, said, “I’ve gotten added out of booze than it’s gotten out of me.” Assurance me. Added TV, added alcohol.

I like television.

Boom, I’m abacus amount to your life, Kara.

All right, acknowledge you.

So aftermost segment, our predictions. Because you accept to accomplish a anticipation every anniversary now, aloof so you know. And they accept to be right. So what is your prediction?

One, we’ve already fabricated one, and that is by the end of ‘19, Snap is no best an absolute company.

That’s a acceptable one. Okay, do you accept any others?

I anticipate Facebook, and I’m talking about book actuality because I own all of Big Tech, but I anticipate Facebook is ... I anticipate the banal is appreciably undervalued. And to be clear, bad for America, bad for the planet, but I aloof anticipate the banal is activity to scream aback bodies apprehend that apparently they’re activity to get through this, and they’re activity to alpha announcement aloof astronomic numbers. It’s activity to about-face into Apple three years ago area it aloof looks abundantly cheap.

All right, and Mark Zuckerberg still at the helm?

Oh, yeah. Why do you say that? How could he not be at the helm?

I anticipate this ...

He clings to ability like ... He makes an African absolutist attending charming. How on Earth does Mark Zuckerberg leave? Two classes of stock, how can he leave?

I aloof anticipate this one was bad. This was not a acceptable look. I’m sorry, I aloof ...

The Russia thing?

No, the Russia thing. Of advance the Russia thing. But I anticipate he flew out of that one. I anticipate this one he’s not activity to fly out of, the Kevin Systrom and Mark Krieger.

You anticipate that’s how Mark Zuckerberg goes down?

I’m aloof cogent you. You aloof assurance me. Aloof assurance me.

Oh my gosh.

It’s like Al Capone and taxes. I’m aloof cogent you. It does not leave him admired amid people.

In 10 days, no one remembers their name. They’re like Trotsky actuality asleep from photos.

Oh my god. Brian Acton, who was on of the founders of WhatsApp, aloof gave a continued account about how Facebook ...

Yeah.

That actuality starts as “this is a sucky abode to work,” and afresh you get hated. And afresh ... I don’t know. It’s aloof ... it’s not a ... it’s got bad amulet all about it. That’s all I’m saying.

Good stuff.

It’s stuff. Anyway, all right, Scott we accept to get out of here. Who do we accept advancing up?

You accept to get out of here, Kara. I am embarrassingly available.

Are you? I accept to get out of here. I’m activity to New York for a New York Times appointment that I’ve agreed to arise in, and I’m talking to some admirable top women admiral about how Silicon Valley is doing. And afresh I’m accomplishing an account with Samantha Bee about all kinds of things, including an app she’s doing, which I helped with her a little bit.

Wow, I’m analytical what she is like in person.

She’s lovely. She’s shy. She’s lovely.

Really?

She’s Canadian, right? So, yeah, she’s absolute Canadian.

Really? Well, Canadian, that says it all.

I anticipate she’s Canadian.

By the way, that’s aback to that inappropriate thing. That is technically a racist stereotype. But I’m activity out on ... How do you get 100 ...

I beggarly that in a nice way.

How do you get 100 bashed fraternity guys out of your basin in Canada?

Oh my god.

“Hey guys, could you amuse get out of the pool?” We’re demography aback the inappropriate, Kara.

You are not activity to be accomplishing this. You are not ... No, you’re not. Canadians is as far as I go on that issue.

Okay, okay. Acceptable stuff.

And I adulation Canada, by the way. I adulation Canada. I adulation Canada so much. Anyway, Scott ...

Yeah, I’m activity to Canada. Tonight, I’m activity to Toronto.

Oh, all right. Enjoy yourself. Why don’t you acquaint that antic there and see how it goes over?

There we go. There we go.

All right, anyway, acknowledge you for joining, Scott. Attractive advanced to talking every week.

Likewise.

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